Carlos Alcaraz Wins Australian Open 2026 | Beating Djokovic with Brains, Legs & Legacy

Alvin Owusu (00:00.919)
Welcome to the last best of three podcast of the Australian Open 2026. Carlos Ocaraz is your men's champion. Just took down Novak Djokovic, 26, six, two, six, three, seven, five, and TH, let me go ahead and run through the numbers here, right? Obviously, I think the biggest one here, youngest player to complete the career of Grand Slam. That is Mr. Carlos Ocaraz. His seventh.

Torrey (00:03.754)
Mm.

Alvin Owusu (00:29.653)
major championship, first Australian Open. He has the most Grand Slams of anyone before the age of 23. I think that's really important. Currently holds three of the last four Grand Slams. That's also of note. And then him and Yannick Center continue their kind of joint co-ownership of the single hold of Grand Slams, winning the last.

Torrey (00:30.83)
Mm.

Torrey (00:54.062)
Yeah. Bye.

Alvin Owusu (00:55.967)
One of the two of them winning the last nine. So if you consider them to be a duality in some aspects, that continues. And Carlos was able to, you know, kind of quiet some of the naysayers who thought that the departure of Juan Carlos Ferrerro and not being there in his box during some clutch moments would start to show up and maybe keep him from, you know, sitting to the heights that he's shown he can ascend to. But I think Samuel Lopez has

along with Carlos Alcaraz proved that we've got enough in this box and whatever's in this box is probably only 5 % of what really matters because Carlos Alcaraz is still hitting forehands and backhands and running around like a terror out there. So, TH, with that being said, did you enjoy yourself? Yeah.

Torrey (01:34.989)
No doubt.

Torrey (01:48.277)
100%, 100%. Almost, I'm in that catharsis right now where I'm just, I'm over the elation, I'm over the, you know, the climax, so to speak. I'm just in that kind of, wow, you know what I mean? Because of, you know, the match, you stated, Alvin, would have been historic either way. Just absorbing it all and taking it all in at this point.

It's not just that he's 22 years old and 272 days in. When I looked at that, you know, that infograph there they were showing, I was looking at the names, right? I was looking at Andre, was looking at obviously I'm looking at Roger. was looking at, know, obviously looking at Nadal, looking at Novak, right? Who he obviously played today. And I just said to myself,

you know, John Mackerel said in the commentary, you know, Chris Fowler, as he will often do with his, you know, with his jabs and such, was almost making it seem as if, you know, like, special is that? know, know, can you speak to that? you know, John made the comment, well, you're not supposed to do it.

You know what I mean? This is not expected. This isn't something that's done. That's why it's so rare. And my wife was watching the final with me and she was like, when did John do it? And I'm like, John didn't. And I was talking, was like, Pete Sampras didn't. So many of the great players didn't. And so that to me is something that needs to be, that cannot be overstated. It's not just a record.

Alvin Owusu (03:34.837)
Right. Right.

Torrey (03:42.942)
It's how few have actually done it. And you add to that, he's done it by 22, not quite 23 years old. It's staggering to really comprehend. And I just wanted to make that point because there have been some great set of played this game. And to really put that in perspective, how many did not achieve a career grand slam. It just makes you appreciate those that did that much more.

Alvin Owusu (04:00.3)
Yeah.

Torrey (04:10.932)
And then on top of that, you add the young age at which he's done it. It's quite remarkable.

Alvin Owusu (04:16.235)
You know, I want to, I want to speak to Mack and Ro just a little bit here because I think he is our version of like Charles Barkley when it comes to the commentary booth, right? major difference being he's, he's far more accomplished in his field than Chuck was, right? But their, their bombastic attitudes is what gets people, gets people to tune in, keeps people engaged. y'all call them your casual fans, but I will say Mack does stop short of ever going.

Torrey (04:24.624)
for sure.

Torrey (04:37.451)
Sure.

Alvin Owusu (04:45.675)
you know, well, back in my day, we would have done it this way. He is extremely effusive of how the game is developed and how these players are far surpassing, you know, the tennis that he played in his day. He makes no qualms about it. He recognizes the greatness when it's when it's warranted. Yeah. And there are some players he will he will hold the task. I think Zverev being one of them.

Torrey (04:48.234)
Right.

Torrey (04:52.363)
So.

Torrey (05:03.336)
to.

Alvin Owusu (05:09.837)
for not necessarily hitting the hitting the markers that he thinks they should. But when they do, he is like, no, no, no, this is this is special. This is important. So I will give I will give we don't really applaud commentary very much in this particular podcast. But I will say Mac acts like a person who has been there and understands what it takes to get there. And in that same breath, Carlos now with seven grand slams passes the likes of Borg. mean, part of me, Becker and Edberg, who are both at six.

Torrey (05:21.726)
Bye. Right, right, right, huh.

Alvin Owusu (05:39.597)
He now ties the likes of McEnroe and Vylander at seven and is now looking at Connors, Agassi, and Lindell at eight. again, he's not 23 yet. I think that's the, when you start to take a step back, and we will get into this match, because you know, you and I were texting back and forth. think after the two semifinals on Friday, we were both kind of like, tennis drunk and didn't really get much into the kind of the weeds of both matches, but we were both very narrowly focused on this one. So don't.

Torrey (05:48.298)
Yeah.

Torrey (06:02.825)
Yeah, yeah, right.

Alvin Owusu (06:09.217)
Don't you worry listeners, you'll get your Cummins soon here. But when you look at what he's accomplished, Carlos that is, it's like he's kind of done it all already. He's checked off all the boxes. And so now it's how high is, like how high is the ceiling? Where are we going with this?

Torrey (06:13.044)
Yeah, yeah, yup, yup, yup.

Torrey (06:29.611)
the ceiling. Sure. I want to touch briefly on on two things you mentioned. Number one, absolutely love John McEnroe. I've loved him since as a kid growing up watching him play. I've loved, you know, he was kind enough to hit some with Skull when we were out there on the tour together, you know, so I wanted I wanted to make sure and he is always I remember my

Alvin Owusu (06:53.259)
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yep.

Torrey (06:58.411)
My buddy Eric Dabcha, coach of the young player named Jack Satterfield who finals at Kalamazoo this past year. And what does he send me a picture of when Jack was playing the French? There's John out there at showing up at the junior's courts like he always does finding out who the young players are, knowing who's relevant, hitting some balls with a plan on the set. And I just, you just can't say enough for what that does. Not just that he stays engaged with who the young.

up and comers are, also any of young Americans, he's always making sure he's visible, always out there. And I just wanted to make sure, you know, people who aren't at that level always, don't see that all the time. It was just, it's really good, it really cool to see. And I've heard that from several of the Americans over the years, you know, they met John, and the players themselves, you know what I mean? So of course it meant a lot to me. know, Sco didn't necessarily appreciate who John was at 18 when he was, you know, playing some of these great players.

I knew who John was. I knew what John meant to tennis. Skoll appreciates him now, right? Probably more than he did when he was playing a set with him just outside of Ash Stadium. So I wanted to make sure that point was made because you made the point about how fused he is of the praise of these young players. And that doesn't come lightly from a seven-time Grand Slam champ himself. Was six or seven? I think it was seven.

Alvin Owusu (08:17.941)
Yeah. Seven, seven, seven.

Torrey (08:20.522)
So make sure we give that credit where credit is due. We have to appreciate this is not a anytime you're gonna grand slam champ, you're among the greats in the game. If you win more than two or three, you are darn near legend status. And if you win seven, I mean, and we can't forget how many double champs that's in one of there as well. So it's a whole nother talk show, but I just wanna make sure we call out and give John his props and how much he kept the game off of life support for.

years for a few decades of his playing career. Number one. Number two, I have to call out ESPN for a great selection and Malika Andrews and one, one of my new faves, Christopher Eubanks, who I think is doing a phenomenal job in the color and the commentary. Both both did a great job. They're good tandem. I like to on court giving some display by play love James Blake as well. But Christopher Eubanks, Chris.

My man, love everything you're doing, everything I've been critical of, of some of the commentary. You are absolutely spot on. Your detail, your accuracy, your delivery are absolutely on point, much needed. I know Chris, since he was a little kid, he's just been a joy to watch this young man develop, but in the booth, he is as impressive as he was on the court.

Really, I just want the fans to appreciate how good he is and how fresh it is to hear that perspective. Of course, being a person of color, I appreciate it even more. But I just wanted to say as much as I may be a little critical from time to time, would have a couple of Chris's, a couple of Chris's in the booth. You know what I mean? This third Chris is absolutely the best Chris in my opinion, from the commentary side of things. I wish the other one Chris is a bit condescending for me. Well, they're both kind of condescending. One of them has a right to be.

Alvin Owusu (10:00.501)
Little bit, little bit, little bit.

Torrey (10:16.361)
But I just wanted to say this, this third Chris is my absolute favorite. And it's not just because I gave him a couple lessons when he was young kid, it's just because of who he's becoming and who he is as a person, the way he delivers the information. I just want to make sure I get got a quick mention there. I know he's a friend of the pod and we may get them on here at some point, but yeah.

Alvin Owusu (10:33.645)
will say, yeah, Chris is a friend of the pod and I will say, Chris, if you're listening, I'm gonna hold you to it. You say what you said, I'm gonna hold you to it. Yeah, so let's...

Torrey (10:40.841)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. I just want to put that in there before we got done, before we dove in the match, since we were on the subject of commentary.

Alvin Owusu (10:49.985)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So, okay, so we get into this match, right? And I heard, I think it was Patrick McEnroe mentioned, you know, at the onset of this match that Novak did something a little atypical, which is, you know, we're in the seventh match of the tournament here for him. The chances of someone changing things up, their pre-match routine is very, it is atypical in its own, right? Players are usually creatures of habit, but instead of his standard, like,

Torrey (11:12.967)
Right.

Alvin Owusu (11:19.031)
come out earlier in the day, hit some balls, get loose, get your workout in, go back, shower, prepare, and then come back out for the match a little bit later. Patrick mentioned that Novak actually had his first hit of the day an hour before the match. So he got in, he got his lather in, got his workout in, and then more or less came right back on the court ready to go. So when I heard that, and this was probably middle of the first set, and I'm mirroring that with what I'm watching, which was.

Torrey (11:37.18)
just before.

Alvin Owusu (11:47.201)
know that came out of the gates, like he was ready to go. And I was like,

Torrey (11:51.759)
on the gas and the clutch same time. Vroom vroom. Right.

Alvin Owusu (11:54.637)
Yeah, we're just flipping through the gears here. Yeah, and that you put those two together, you're like, okay, it all makes sense. Novak's coming out with the intention of if I'm going to win this match, I need to do this quickly and I need to make these points short. I mean, Novak served 78 % first serves in the first set. 93 % of those points were won. That's staggering. Four unforced errors in the...

in the first set. And so when you look at it from the, could not have played better. He was, he was, he brought the first chess piece and you and I talked a little bit about this before we started a game to be game to see game. He came out with the first chess piece and said, this is what I'm doing. Carlos, you make the adjustment first. And I would say Carlos looked, I'm not going to say stunned.

but he was definitely on the back foot a little bit like, okay, I've got to, I've got to, this is not going to work out like any of the other matches I've played this week have worked out. Before I get into what I think I saw, I want to get your perspective on what did Carlos do so well? What did Novak do well in the first set? then we'll get to how Carlos made the adjustment.

Torrey (13:17.543)
used this term before Alvin. There is a counter puncher, then there's a counter punisher. Like to think that I coined the term back in the day, no one was using before me. So I'm going to take credit for it. What a counter punisher does, right? What a counter punisher does is he hurts you in a defensive slash the very fumes of neutral setting. You run me three times to the corner.

Alvin Owusu (13:30.657)
Take it.

Torrey (13:45.638)
You're expecting breakdown because I shouldn't go for that down the line ball. The counter puncher makes one more shot. He makes you miss. makes you, he or she make you.

make that one more ball because you're redlining, you're hitting a lot of offensive shots and they're gonna force you to put them away. The counterpunisher, however, actually counters, hence the term, and punishes you with the down the line because they're so agile, they're so balanced, they're so adept at striking on either wing that they actually don't mind getting ran that second time. But they can actually turn the tables on you.

And be it a cross court grip, be it a down the line slap, be it a on the run pass, be it a drop shot, get counter drop. They will punish you when you move them to a favorable position, especially if you're going back behind them. They just hit a shot that you hadn't expected them to have. Novak did not give Carlos a chance to counterpunish. He changed direction on him so much. He went in front of him so much that he kept Carlos zigzagging.

If you go back behind Carlos twice, Carlos stunned you the second time. If you're lucky enough to go back behind him a third time, he will sting you and hurt you because you leave the court open for him. So Novak didn't go back behind him that often. He went in front of him several times. He ran him. He didn't let the rally get two balls crossed ever. It was a constant change of direction and he served big and he kept Carlos off balance and that's hard to do.

Once, and that was honestly probably the best set I've seen Novak play, I don't know, maybe since the semi against, did he play Demetrov in that Miami Open where he had like, what, one on four stare? I I haven't seen that level of a set from Novak in a while, let alone at a Grand Slam. So that's what he did. And quite frankly, it was such a high level. It was gonna be very difficult to maintain it, but that's how he won that first.

Alvin Owusu (15:50.901)
Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to piggyback on that one. I, as I'm watching that first set unfold, I'm like, man, no facts hitting. He's going after the forehand right now. And not only is he hitting it with conviction, he is hitting it to hurt. And he found him. found that they were in exchanges specifically on the forehand side where he kind of lured Carlos into a kind of a shootout, like almost a,

Torrey (16:05.696)
yeah.

Torrey (16:17.05)
down.

Alvin Owusu (16:17.911)
who can hit the ball harder, who's gonna go through whom, and that played right into Novak's favor, right? Novak, you look at all the matches they played in the last, they're probably the last five matchups, and I'll even say, let's skip the, let's skip US Open of last year, let's go to the Australian Open of last year. Like once Novak got Carlos into that match, he kind of locked him down by controlling the middle and hitting down and through, down and through, down and through. Once...

Torrey (16:20.268)
All right.

Torrey (16:25.093)
Great. Great.

Torrey (16:34.819)
Right, right.

Alvin Owusu (16:45.911)
Carlos's superhuman power is his ability to make shots from way outside the court and make you play out there, right? Once this match starts started to get lateral, that's when it was like, aha, this is what Carlos actually wants. But in the beginning, Novak is like, we're gonna play this thing. Sorry, when it gets linear, Novak wants to play this thing laterally, forward and backward, forward and backward in a space where he's taking, he's using a lot less energy in the legs.

Torrey (16:50.979)
the wigs. Yup. Yup.

Alvin Owusu (17:14.805)
and letting his strokes do the work. And I think he did a masterful job of that in the first set. When we make that transition, what you started to see towards the end of that first set was Carlos then trying to use a little more shape, trying to use a little more width. Hard to do with Novak hitting the ball so cleanly through the court. You can't just hit a high heavy ball off of a ball that's coming at you at a rope. So Carlos was trying, trying, and then.

Torrey (17:40.005)
Right. Right.

Alvin Owusu (17:42.925)
He started to find more ways to create that height. Um, and I think I wanted to make sure I called this out cause they, mentioned in the broadcast in the first set, Carlos's average height of clearance over the net was 23 inches sets two through four that jumped up to 35 inches. He found almost a full foot more of height. Height equals depth. Hi.

Torrey (17:45.443)
But, but.

Torrey (18:07.365)
Right, right. And I bet that was a, yep. And I bet that was also including some of his misses because some of those balls were, you know, were clearly four to five feet over the net. You know what I mean? And so I bet that was his average, you know, including some rips in there as well. So the height was huge. And I also feel like it was a big adjustment for him moving back as well to achieve said height. He missed a few, but he made a few.

Novak hurt him on a few, but the aggregate, you know, is what ended up turning the tide. And I felt like that gave him time to get back in the point. And that really turned the tide. Him breaking Novak, him getting deeper into the points on Novak's serve. You just couldn't, you just couldn't dodge the night that many times.

Alvin Owusu (18:54.721)
Yeah, yeah, and they, kind of almost see it, was extremely, extremely intentional and this is like one of the benefits I think of having, you know, coaching on court. We can see the hand gestures, we can hear some of the, I mean, depending on how good your Spanish is, you can hear the conversation between, between Lopez and Alcaraz, like one, you're fine, smile, enjoy yourself out there, but two, obviously the technical stuff and that's what Samuel is fantastic at, right? Technical adjustments and not just on the practice court but also within.

Torrey (19:07.736)
Right? Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (19:24.353)
But then match is showing that he is more than capable of taking that responsibility as well. finding height, especially off, like you mentioned, off the second serve return, like Carlos, they were having the conversation, where should I stand? And they encouraged him to go further back, find the height, and then keep that height in space. It felt like at a macro level, Novak feels fine hitting with Carlos. He is not.

Torrey (19:45.987)
Correct.

Alvin Owusu (19:52.801)
going to be able to move with Carlos in the aggregate. Hitting and moving are different things, right? And very few on the tour can hit with Carlos. That's one thing, right? Like you see what he does to like Demonor and the likes, like he'll just hit right through them. He can't do that to Novak.

Torrey (19:55.011)
Right.

Torrey (20:05.188)
Yeah, come on.

Torrey (20:11.107)
Right? A guy who's a guy who can move with him, right? To your point, right? You only got a handful that can move with him. Tommy Paul, you know, and the demon, you they can move with him. You know, they can't hit with him. And then there's very few that can hit with him. You know, you're talking about some of the biggest sticks out there, know, Ruble F, you know what I mean? Who's probably one of the biggest, harder hitters, you know, it's variable on all things can hit with him, for sure. And obviously center.

Alvin Owusu (20:15.497)
Right, exactly, exactly. Same thing with Tommy Paul. exactly.

Alvin Owusu (20:33.229)
Because Varev can hit with him, like Sinner can obviously you can Sinner hit with him.

Torrey (20:39.585)
So then you get that even smaller group that could hit and move with them. You talk to one or two people, know what mean? Period. You know, one or two. Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (20:46.285)
That's it. That's literally that's it. And you know which one and two it is. you know, but Carlos making that adjustment and making the shape of the match look different, it was quite stark. think the two sets that had, you know, that netted out with the eye test and on paper by the numbers were the first and second sets. They were extremely different. And Carlos did that like to a T. And we talk about the things that Carlos is so amazing at.

Torrey (21:06.562)
Yeah, very different.

Alvin Owusu (21:15.499)
the shots he can produce. think those became secondary or tertiary in this match. He used his head and his feet phenomenally, phenomenally. The adjustments he made within that match in sets two and three were, were, were mental tennis masterclass. just bleed, bleed that he did. Yeah. But he, mean, he was just like, I'm going to bleed him out.

Torrey (21:29.228)
Yep. Agreed.

Torrey (21:38.754)
100 % because he struggled early in that second.

Alvin Owusu (21:45.421)
We're just gonna bleed him out. We're taking the air out of these points. We're gonna get high, we're gonna get wide. I'll drop shot behind you. I'll use that height and space to then be aggressive and sting when I can. I'm gonna make a lot of returns. I'm gonna make you play a lot of points and we're gonna bleed you out over the aggregate. And I think it showed up at Novak trying to serve to stay in the match at the end of the four set. that's the long game. Yeah.

Torrey (21:59.51)
Yup. Yup. Yup.

Torrey (22:09.602)
Sure, sure. That's what you want. 100%. He played a long game for sure. I thought the third set was critical. Novak actually hit more winners than Carlos did in the third. You can make the argument that he had to, but you also can make the argument that I thought Novak, to some degree, and this doesn't sound strange, I thought to some degree there were four bouts.

I got to be careful with the eyeball stats here, but I know he had more winners than Carlos did at that time, perhaps a few more errors as well. But Novak was actually dictating play more in the third. Carlos was defending a fair bit. Felt like the sneaking on certain volley. He had one play where he came in and served and drop shot it. I mean, it was a beautiful play. Just an unbelievable low because of, you know, again, the counter to the counter, right?

is now Novak taking advantage of him being that far back in the court. I felt that Novak could have done that a little bit more. He may have been able to hold serve and maybe take that third set. Maybe things could have been different. But the bottom line of it was, and we just talked about this at the outset, know, A game was A game. Then we went down, then we checked down to B game versus B game. And then we're like, okay, who's C game can outlast or outmaneuver the other, because I'm not gonna give you what you want.

You I'm not gonna, you didn't see, but rarely did you see, you know, Carlos even get a lot of inside out or inside in step up forehands. I mean, they just want me to be had. The blocks were, the block returns were deep. If they missed, they missed by inches. You know, there were some loss and they both did it a few times out. You saw this, where they went over and threw something, you know what I mean? Came down and then after that, was one point there was an overhead smash from the baseline and six more shots. I mean, you're like, are you kidding me?

Alvin Owusu (23:40.151)
Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (23:48.44)
touch the clouds and then touch the baseline, yeah.

Torrey (23:59.276)
I mean, that ball shouldn't have been in, let alone I'd still be in this rally at a high tempo level. it was great tennis. was so happy to see that level tennis from Novak. I was so happy to see Carlos just really ride to the occasion and handle a moment. There's an old expression, Alvin, you've heard it before. To be the man, you have to beat the man. And I felt like in this match, it was a little bit more of a passing of the torch.

It was great to see the former champion return back to the podium toward the end. But it was also good to see the young champion solidify himself on that stage against Novak. And I feel like, especially at the Australian, where he's won 10 times. So this is man, I gotta say, but it was just some great tennis to watch. think we saw history.

Chris made a comment, hope we don't take it for granted, you know, and I thought it was a, it was very well said for a young man who, you know, who is at a young age for him to appreciate the history that he just saw. Probably double Chris's age at this point. And I'm wanting the listeners and viewers to do the same thing. Don't take this for granted. We, we did that a lot with the big, with the big three. He was, he was very astute enough to say the big four. I would even say even way back, mold enough to remember when Mackerel was playing Borg.

And then out of nowhere Alvin, it was gone. And you felt like, what just happened? You know what I mean? And then four or five years later, we were blessed with another great rivalry with Pete and Andre. And I would say like, yeah. And everything from the commercials to the gear to tennis being alive again felt great. And then there was some others. Currier jumped in the mix. then obviously we had some other great champs came in that same time frame. But we kind of take this for granted a little bit.

then Roger and Rafa and we had no idea what we were in store for and the great tennis that ensued. I just wanna make sure, to Chris's point, I know we're gonna talk more about the match that we just, you gotta appreciate what you just saw here in the totality of it. As you're looking at the X's and O's, which are always great to watch and see, it was just some pretty good stuff. And it's good to just kind of take a breath and appreciate how-

Torrey (26:18.344)
Not only how he won the match, but who he played and how he beat him with a guy that's won more than anybody, you know, and won more Australia's than anybody. Right. I think I think he's lost more. This will be his 14th final. I think that he's lost. He's lost more Grand Slam finals than some players have have have been in, you know, let alone one. You know what I mean? So Pete won 14 slams out. I mean, and that was phenomenal when it happened.

Alvin Owusu (26:34.615)
Sure, yeah.

Torrey (26:47.124)
phenomenal. No one you didn't think I was gonna break that, you know, and now you know, you got a guy, the fact that I've lost 14 and 124, buddy. That's, that's, that's tough. That needs to be mentioned.

Alvin Owusu (26:56.845)
Yeah, I think like 30 39 Grand Slam 39 Grand Slam finals. I think that's that'd be the right number, right? That's ridiculous. Okay, okay. So that's that's that's that's that's insane in its own right. I want to I want to focus on the Carlos aspect of it though. In this particular you said passing of the torch and I want to be very careful about that because I think Novak if he's if he's done anything over the last 48 hours,

Torrey (27:04.288)
I think it's 38, because they included this one. Yeah, yeah, so it's just, yeah.

Alvin Owusu (27:26.877)
is proved to us that he ain't passing anything. is still a check mark that you have to go through. you don't, it's like, Carlos wins this match in four sets, right? It's not five sets, it's four sets. But it was not a match that anyone could have won. Like you would have assumed that Novak would have come into this thing. He just played four hours against.

Torrey (27:30.515)
Not fair.

Torrey (27:34.207)
Right, right. for sure. For sure.

Alvin Owusu (27:53.397)
center and left it all out there. He's 38 years old, yada, yada, yada, so on and so forth, that he was gonna be on dead legs. He came out ready to roll, got the first set, made the first strike, did what Novak does, which is like, know, I mean, I can post the screenshots of the text messages that we were exchanging, and I was like, I don't buy this rope-a-dope here for one bit. I've seen this so many times. He has not done, it's not done, and don't you know it, fourth set comes.

Torrey (28:04.415)
It's two.

Torrey (28:12.329)
Yeah.

Torrey (28:15.72)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alvin Owusu (28:22.473)
And I, and I texted you again. I'm like, this is not over yet. I think it was like two, one when I texted you and I'm like, this feels, this feels like it is very much so still in the balance. Carlos is not going to cruise out of here with like two breaks in this fourth set and, and, and smoke the, smoke the goat on his way out. Like, and Carlos had to do everything within his power to stay in the moment, stay within himself. Even when he started to let it go.

Torrey (28:25.907)
Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Torrey (28:32.467)
Yeah.

Torrey (28:35.773)
Right, right.

Torrey (28:48.031)
That's right.

Alvin Owusu (28:50.943)
started to open up the hips a little bit and start to tag like he wanted to in the first set. Novak was like, no, you do that. I'm going to, I will sink you down the line. And Carlos very quickly would go, okay, yep. Back to what's working, which is left foot, right foot, left foot. Exactly. Left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. We're not sprinting. We cannot sprint to the finish line. We must, we must methodically get ourselves there. And I think that was the, that was the masterclass at all. Again, I use the term, you know,

Torrey (29:03.647)
Back to heavy.

Alvin Owusu (29:20.237)
Carlos bled him out, he did it in the macro over the course of the match, like let the fatigue and everything build so that hopefully when we get to that point, he won't have anything left. But he also did it in the micro, was Novak serving five, six in the fourth set to stay in the match. The very first point of that service game might have been the best.

Torrey (29:45.726)
phenomenal.

Alvin Owusu (29:46.349)
point of the match. 21-23 shot rally. Both players went straight locked down and were banging the piss out of the ball, but not going to miss. They're like, no, I'm not missing it. Carlos was, there were points, some opportunities there where you thought he might've gone a little too big, gone down the line, try to go for the kill shot. He was like, nope, harder, middle, harder, middle. I'm not missing. I am not missing. I'm not missing. Carlos takes that point. Novak, the greatness of Novak.

Torrey (29:56.358)
Yep. Right.

Torrey (30:05.415)
Right.

Alvin Owusu (30:15.97)
What does he do on the very next point? Serve volley. I'm not doing that again. Serve volley. And then what did he force Carlos to do in the next few points? Come up with some big shots, like again, hard at Novak on 15 all. Novak tries to pull the trigger off the first ball, misses wide. And I think that's just really a testament to Carlos' superhuman power is actually his speed and his ability to turn defensive shots into neutral shots, neutral shots into offensive shots because of the way he covers.

Torrey (30:20.722)
way.

Alvin Owusu (30:45.783)
His hands are fantastic and not just like drop shots of the cool stuff that looks good, but out wide, fully extended, can openers that go down the line and reset the point, making Novak continue, continue, continue. And each extra ball adds up to that last game where Novak just didn't have anything left after 15 all. that, so small, such big impact.

Torrey (31:01.479)
Yep, yep, the body blows. right.

Torrey (31:10.953)
The body blows and you're exactly right, Alvin, but the body blows over time is what really just continued to do that. And I think that's the discipline of Carlos that's come over the last several slams in the last several years, last two or three years, because he realizes that while I can be flashy, I'm taking on a lot of risk myself. And while I like...

Alvin Owusu (31:28.522)
Absolutely.

Torrey (31:38.984)
going for those big shots and I'm pretty good at it. Let me not get myself, let me not put myself in a poor position where I'm always the one taking the risks and I can always bang. And I think the fact that I have it and choose not to do it is pretty cool too. A lot of times that's all a player can do because that's what they're good at and that's what they're, know, that shot, why would you not do it? That's what you're known for. He now realizes I have to be able to win another way.

And I think in that hard middle ball where there's no angle, hit the ball that deep, off returns and as well as off of counterstrike balls down the center, he does not give you a center shot. Alvin, you and I both know as players and coaches both, if that center shot lands five to eight feet shorter, it's gonzo Panetti. That thing is just ripped to a corner, the guy's coming to knock out the volley, you're done. So you cannot be light with a middle ball. You cannot be unintentional with a hard middle shot. You have to put

If you're training for that drill, got to put cones, strips, targets, literally four to five feet from the baseline. I mean, you are hitting it that deep toward a top of the key semi-circle. That is not very big, right? I mean, that bad boy is you could put a racket almost between the baseline and make a little windshield wiper kind of a mark. And that's where he's aiming these balls for. So I just want, you know, it's something to understand.

Alvin Owusu (32:50.913)
The diamond.

Torrey (33:04.636)
There's a reason Novak had trouble with those types of shots. Some of the best footwork in the game, up to this point, I would say historically the best returner in the game. And if he's having trouble with that ball, if he's being in a sense out-returned and he's being out-maneuvered, that's saying quite a bit.

Alvin Owusu (33:25.291)
Yeah, even speaking to that, how efficient both players, how efficient and effective both players were in the middle, like I have this in my notes, both of them were going middle out so well whenever the other person left it short. It didn't happen a lot, and I'm not talking short like in the service box, I'm talking like seven feet from the baseline instead of three feet from the baseline. They both like.

Torrey (33:41.532)
Yeah. Right.

Torrey (33:47.9)
Right, right, right.

Alvin Owusu (33:50.891)
with varying with forehand backhand didn't matter. leave it short, you leave it neutral in the middle. Neutral doesn't work here. Both players were so quick to read. And that's another thing I wanted to kind of speak to with Novak. He returned so well. think Carlos won 13 % of his points off of second serves in the first set. That is a testament to Novak was

so aggressive with his feet in his court position. And I text this to you as well. Like, what I'm looking at the most here in sets one through three is like, where is Novak tending to end up when he's finishing points? He was on or in front of the baseline, the vast majority of that first set and part of that second set, but that takes a lot of energy. It takes a lot of energy to move up that close on a ball hit that hard consistently.

Torrey (34:33.84)
Right.

Bye. Bye.

Torrey (34:49.212)
Sure. And how often was he, right? And how often was he in those positions to have to defend, right? So the fact that Novak came with the goods, I felt like what gets center, he was in that same spot. He just served his way out of them, right? And I feel like in this match here, obviously just a tad less on the serve accuracy, but that had helped, Novak, Carlos was making sure that he played and didn't play very many loose.

Alvin Owusu (34:50.391)
but that's the risk he felt like he had to take.

Torrey (35:17.508)
mistakes on the returns didn't go for a lot because he wanted to your point wanted to bleed it out a little bit. I felt like that was a very good point. I also felt like to add to that. He was under constant pressure. He Novak was under constant pressure to hold serve and you know Novak had had came up with the goods 90 % of the time. I felt like and you and you have to have to pepper in a little bit of

how many easy holes did Carlos have as a result? So it's just hard to play both sides. It's hard to play offense and defense both and have a tank of gas left at the end.

Alvin Owusu (35:50.923)
Right, yeah.

Alvin Owusu (35:57.357)
Like, mean, you look at the, even the, I don't remember what the final stats ended up being, but break point chances, think, think Novak was like one for two. Like he didn't have maybe one for three. He didn't get many outside of the first set where he had obviously had some, he had looks and got them. He didn't get another look until I think Carlos was serving at, when he was serving at five all, I think Novak might've had a break point chance there. But besides that, was a very, very clean serving sheet for Carlos, the vast majority of the match.

Torrey (36:07.513)
Right? No.

Torrey (36:25.263)
Yeah, yeah, six, six total.

Alvin Owusu (36:26.905)
And then Carlos on the other side of that, when Carlos got his chances to break in the second and third sets, he took them. He took them. now to that same point, contrasted to the Novak semifinal match against Center, Novak didn't make as many first serves when down break point, but Carlos also did not make any mistakes when he got a look at second serves. And I think about this constantly, how many second serves that

Torrey (36:51.323)
100%. 100%.

Alvin Owusu (36:56.021)
Second serve returns that center did miss when he had breakpoint opportunities Carlos did not miss them He was not he was extremely efficient when he had his opportunities And that carried him kind of kind of that efficiently carried him all the way through I mean he had six breakpoint chances in the third set and Novak came up with some with some Fantastic serving you got to give him his credit there I want to kind of take a more of a Kind of zoom back out again. This matchup is a to your point about

Torrey (36:59.108)
Right. Right. Right.

Torrey (37:14.51)
Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Alvin Owusu (37:25.681)
passing of the torch and why I think it's a not, not so fast on that one. They've traded back and forth, you know, over the last, would say since 2023, right? Like, you know, no, that gets him at that Roland Garros, Carlos gets him at Wimbledon that same year. they had that, they had that classic vital at Cincinnati that year. and then Carlos gets him at Wimbledon the next year. And then right after that.

Torrey (37:48.228)
Mm-hmm.

Alvin Owusu (37:53.963)
Novak gets him at the Olympics, right? That classic match at the Olympics. then last year's Australian Open, Carlos gets him, Novak gets him US Open, Carlos beats him, and then now again here. So I'm not, I feel like there is a game style matchup here that makes it very hard for either one of them to really pull away from the other. mean, you could say, okay, in their last, let's say that was three sets at the US Open.

Torrey (37:55.876)
Thank you.

Torrey (38:03.012)
Good. Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (38:21.131)
This one was four sets, so they played seven sets in the last two slams and Carlos has won six of them. You could say that's actually pretty comprehensive, but when you look at the matches, what it takes for Carlos to do that shows why Novak is the clear number three here in the world. He forces the best out of Carlos and requires it. And if Carlos is not bringing his best, Novak will take advantage of that. And all of these matchups,

look a little bit different. And I think that's something that we as fans should be aware of when you're looking at any of these, whether it's Novak and Carlos, whether it's Carlos and Janik or Janik and Novak, every time they get together, you change the venue, you change the circumstance, you change the surface, you change the people they are coming into that match, and you will always get something a little bit different.

Torrey (38:53.997)
Yep, I agree.

Torrey (39:17.849)
Yep, yep, you're forced to.

Alvin Owusu (39:18.721)
what you saw at the US Open, I feel like I saw none of that. Yeah, Carlos was a banshee out of hell coming forward in the semifinals and finals of the US Open against Novak and Janik. I saw very little of that today. He's almost like a very different player, because he had.

Torrey (39:34.425)
Yep, very controlled aggression, very tactically smart, if anything, very tempered, right? You didn't see him go for a lot of shots in general. Even his drop shots were well-timed, and I'm talking Carlos's, they were more to run Novak than more than they were to try to the winner. In fact, he missed a couple early droppers trying to go for the winner, and I think changed his mindset, changed his tactic. Let me just move you.

Right? Even some of the plays that he had, there was a couple of plays album where he had a couple of drop shots, a couple of drop shot gets Novak countered him with a couple around the post shots, which was phenomenal to watch. And he still made him play that one more ball. If Novak pulled the, if Novak pulled the point out, it still was death of a thousand cuts to your point. And even the tweeners, there was one crazy high over that he went for that, but he was making Novak go deep in the tank for

Alvin Owusu (40:13.289)
One more ball, one more ball.

Torrey (40:29.867)
each of those long points. And I think that's the thing that I look at when I see this whole match played out over the course is there was an intentional design to make him earn it, to make him go forward and to, as you say, you know, to, to bleed them out. But that one more ball over the course of the, what, three, three and half hours they played was the difference in that match because at the end of the day,

Alvin Owusu (40:53.911)
Heh.

Torrey (40:55.511)
you know, that was gonna be how the match was won if you could get it there, right? If you could get it there, you know, and that's the hard part. again, great tennis.

Alvin Owusu (41:06.497)
Yeah, I mean, go back to the third set, right? I was taking notes on this one. At 3-5 serving, Novak was down triple break point, which is also a triple set point. Fantastic spot serving gets himself out of it, right? But then they go deuce, add, deuce, add, deuce, ask for, I think the game went about eight minutes long, and Novak ends up,

Torrey (41:28.117)
Yeah. It does. Yeah. I think it longer than that. I think it was 12 minutes.

Alvin Owusu (41:33.853)
not that one. That wasn't the four set, but this one itself was like, no back ends up saving all those break points and then still lost the game, but also expended a ton of energy. Right. And then you come back in the beginning of the first beginning of the four set, Norbeck serving. He's down. He's down. one is first service game. And that's game that took 12 minutes. That one took 12 minutes. He held. And I wrote down, I was like, I was like, Carlos bled him out for 12 minutes. No, that held.

Torrey (41:44.024)
energy.

Torrey (41:56.268)
Yeah, right.

Alvin Owusu (42:02.785)
but at what cost? What did that game cost him? think he had to pay for it at five, six serving. That's what bleeding out does to someone over the course of a long-ish, hard fought match.

Torrey (42:04.45)
Right. Right.

Torrey (42:22.198)
Right. Right.

Alvin Owusu (42:26.253)
And so like as we come out of that one, yeah, was a come out of that one, right? Carlos now got a little distance here from Yannick if you're looking at the race, right? And their duopoly. Novak has proven he can still, he is still a force to be reckoned with. Like Natalie's at.

Torrey (42:26.872)
See what the camera was, yeah.

Torrey (42:50.292)
god, no doubt.

Alvin Owusu (42:52.129)
Yeah, last year, last year it was four straight semi finals. Well, okay, he is now one up did he made the made the finals of a Grand Slam? Moved himself moved himself Firmly up. He's he's he's three in the world. He's not thinking he'll be three in the world come Monday. So there's that What We'll probably cover this in our in our we're gonna do an official Australian open wrap-up show later on this week But when you're looking at Carlos He's checked all these boxes as we mentioned earlier

Torrey (42:56.86)
Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (43:22.881)
coming out of Australia, he has made a career already, right? Sort of like needing to win a gold medal or something like that. What do you see as the next space of opportunity or evolution as a tennis player for Carlos Alcaraz?

Torrey (43:43.095)
Just more of same, Alvin take care of his body so he can beat their week in week out.

keep staying in that hungry mindset, you know, I feel.

Torrey (43:56.513)
When you're at the top of the game, it's so easy to start looking at resting on your laurels, so to speak, and start to understand or think that what you're doing is good enough to beat whoever at a given day. I think what Carlos now has to do is truly get the mindset of one of the goats. And that is, I can't stop to rest. can't stop to savor many moments.

My time to savor the moments is the 10 minutes they're putting the stage together for the championship presentation. know, that's my time to savor. That's my time to take it all in. You know what mean? My time as soon as I take a couple of days off for my body's sake, see a few sites and, you know, hang out with, you know, with whatever the significant other is. But after that, it's back to work because you have to appreciate now let's really start to hone in on

Alvin Owusu (44:36.13)
Yeah.

Torrey (44:56.16)
what was successful, take care of the body and mentally, okay, there's tweaks to make here. Okay, my, you know, I felt like his, I felt like there's probably two or three small things he could continue to do. I didn't see him come forward as much in this match as I've seen him come in other matches. Now, mind you, Novak was a big part of that. He didn't let him. But I felt like in previous matches, especially at the open, he came forward a lot more than that.

Alvin Owusu (45:17.431)
Sure, big part, big part.

Torrey (45:24.054)
I thought Novak's not getting more Sir Bally than Carlos did, especially with him being so far back. I feel like he should go back more and then still come forward more. Occasionally throw in some blocks. I feel like he should do that more often in the same game, not within different sets. That's why this first set and second set were so different. I felt like it was a great tactic to change and to do, but a lot of it came down to Novak not able to execute more than it was

It was causing Novak problems. Novak over hit Novak's did not convert more so than it was working. It was just working better than what then slap a shot was working in the first. And I feel like those are things that his, you know, as coach Lopez and others will start to go through and figure out. I think he needs to continue to run guys with the drop shot more often, not for the winners that he's done before, but just to run them, just to get a little gut check in there.

Alvin Owusu (46:06.559)
Right, right.

Torrey (46:18.966)
And then the play starting points out, I feel like if he has that in there, you know, like I know Alvin, a 20 shot rally takes starch out of your shirt. You don't have the legs anymore and you're looking for a short point now to go longer. And then throw the drop shot on you. Man, you know, some of those, was a of those droppers that nobody didn't go for toward the end. He knew, no, no, I can't go for that. You know, I can't go for that and be viable for the next point. And I think that's something that he should do is start to really build his points to the point where he will run you so much.

Then he'll put the clamps on you and then he'll drop show on you just to mentally break you. And I think that's something, those are still two or three little things I think he could do a little more to where he's starting to put all this together more often. That is, man, that is smothering the fire right there.

Alvin Owusu (47:08.629)
Right, I'll add to that in because I like the way that you laid that out, but we also have to be very cognizant of like, he didn't drop a set before the semifinals, right? He, when it's everyone except for the very top of the game, he's pretty much got that locked down. took the number Alex D. Menour, Alex D. Menour is six in the world playing on his home court and Carlos dismantled him, right? So we have to like,

Torrey (47:27.656)
For sure.

Alvin Owusu (47:37.591)
put that all into context of like, okay, the vast majority of the players, he can probably do whatever he wants and he's going to be just fine. When he gets into these matches with the Sinners and the Djokovic's and the Zverevs, which he is winning these matches, right? He's winning these matches. He just beat Novak in the final to win the whole tournament. He beat Jannik at US Open. took Jannik playing a phenomenal match.

Torrey (47:45.183)
Yup. Yup.

Alvin Owusu (48:06.999)
to beat him at Wimbledon and he also was able to get through a war of attrition against Zverev, someone who he has pretty even head to head with. Zverev is the poster child of the profile that Carlos struggles with the most, right? Big server, can hang with him from the baseline, so on and so forth. So I wanna make sure that we are aware that he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. But now, from my perspective, it seems like because he's done, he's checked all the boxes.

Torrey (48:07.254)
Yup. Yup.

Torrey (48:21.588)
soon.

Alvin Owusu (48:36.031)
It's a kind of a, a reshuffling of what is the goal here? And, I'll use our own little podcast as a, as a small example to, to, you know, kind of as a person to look through this, we started this podcast about a year ago and from the U S open on, it was like, okay, I think we can try to, we should be trying to get to a thousand subscribers on YouTube. So for all of you who are new, welcome. We haven't been at this long, but we just crossed the thousand during this tournament. Right. Good for us.

Torrey (49:00.863)
Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (49:05.355)
round of applause, but now we have to kind of recalibrate like for us to continue to grow and share this podcast with more and more people, we've got to make sure that we deliver on the things that we think we're good at, right? Carlos, now that he's checked all these boxes off, now his goal is, if it's just for the joy of playing tennis and playing tennis at the highest of his capabilities, best of his capabilities, then it's all green fields, right?

But if it's to really go for something like the all-time Grand Slam record, that is now schedule management. That is now making sure we're peaking at the Grand Slams. That is now, I'm not playing the mandatory amount of events that the ATP wants me to play. I don't need them. I'll take that hit financially and I'll keep playing these one-day exhibitions that will take care of my pocket the way that, know, the ATP wants to take out. Right, yeah.

Torrey (49:52.765)
Got that right.

Or four day exhibitions for six kings.

Alvin Owusu (50:04.641)
Yeah, if ATP wants to take it out of my pocket for not showing up for 20 of the days they want me on tour, I'll make it back in four. That's fine. With a lot less fatigue on the body. think what he and Jannik and Novak have shown is that their baseline tennis level is so high that they don't need warm-up events. We haven't seen Carlos since ATP Championships. We didn't see Jannik since the ATP Championships. We haven't seen Novak since, I know,

Torrey (50:09.073)
Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

Got that right.

Torrey (50:24.327)
Nope. Right.

Alvin Owusu (50:33.793)
when the last time we saw Novak was. Athens, was it Athens? Which is right after, before ATP Championship. And he skipped the ATP Championship. So they've shown that we are in a different class. We don't necessarily need to take on the, we'll use the first three rounds as warmup. That's the warmup of it. And then we get to business in week two.

Torrey (50:36.923)
Athens. Yep. I guess it was Eddie. Yep.

Grab four. Yep, yep.

Torrey (50:55.645)
But and that's what they're do. You know, you got you got seven. What is what is Yannick have for?

All right, so you got seven and four and we don't talk about no back. He's already on a little level and has been for a long time. The tour will have to make some sort of concession for those guys because of where they are. Maybe even some rule, give or take about if you win so many of them, you should be exempt because at the end of the day, isn't that the point Alvin? Isn't the point to win the event? Isn't the point to...

to be sharp and to win the tournament. I think too many times guys were playing tournament to play the tournament to the schedule. This is not, well, I totally understand it from the standpoint of the tournament director and promoters and guys like Peter Levadev who've been on the pod before. I totally appreciate what they're trying to do and how a player like a Carlos, a Yannick and what have her, how much they make or can kind of break your ticket sales and your event in particular.

But at the end, don't we want them healthy? Don't we want them fresh? Don't we want them producing, especially say the slams? I think the tournament, the announcer there at the ceremony talked about over a million people, a million people, Alvin, came through the grounds at the Australian Open. That's a lot of people. And so to have that kind of a tournament over two and a half, three weeks is also made success. And those are the drivers financially.

as well as participation-wise through the sport. And that means that's many more people showing up to the event who weren't there before. Many more customers who you retained from last year. More people who are coming out to support the event for different reasons. It's just great to see. So to me, if you look at all of it, you want that to happen. I think the ATP needs to go back and look at, with everything, you need to adjust.

Torrey (52:51.857)
Let's not make this counterintuitive for our top players either, right? Let's make, if we have to make a rule adjustment, make a rule adjustment. You know, we don't want this to be something that we're holding them hostage. They should want to play and that they don't need to play, right? We're not talking about everybody. We're talking about the top two or three. Why not make that as an incentive? Write that in. You win, if you win five of these, you're exempt for the rest of the year. Now.

Alvin Owusu (52:57.965)
Hmph.

Torrey (53:15.698)
You being one of those players wants to knock out that five. I'm just spitting ball number, but you're now saying, let me knock out those five and let me knock out, if I can win two 1000s, I'm exempt for the rest of the year. Now that does a few things that not only opens up the point rates for the rest of the guys, it also keeps those guys fresh and it does it. has you as the ATP tour come off as the good guys, not the villains.

Torrey (53:45.104)
for all players improving, right? So if you get to this point, your points are already higher, your prize money is already higher. Why do we want to make you play the next so many events? You you're exempt. No different than if you have a hundred going through the class, why take the final? And that now gives some credence to what you did before. So anyway, I just feel at some point that's the natural decision that they want to, will it suck if I'm the 15th term of the year and those guys have already won that event going through? Yes, but it'll also mean you'll get the other one.

Alvin Owusu (54:02.892)
Right.

Torrey (54:15.154)
You'll get that, you might get Yannick now. may get Sveirov, may get Shelton, you may get Fritz, you may get Demon, and those guys can go to this and some of these tournaments. Because let's face it, Alvin, what I don't want is to go to a 500 and have that guy for the appearance money when I pull out and be out for a second right anyway, because he's gonna take his rest. But for the financial ding, he's gonna...

play not so well in the second match inside of Abteyre and Abpole and really, do you really want walkovers? I don't wanna get too deep in that part of it, but just I'm saying, how many times have we seen that? Just let the guy do it or the girl do her thing, win that slam, be prepared for the next tournament. A guy that's played that many matches, Alvin, that many tough matches, that many sets, they need to take a break. You know what I mean? That's seven days, that's seven days in two weeks. But your point last part,

Some people have already taken a break. They've already taken a week off. They lost and they're out of 16. They're done. They're ready. They're fresh. These guys just finished. So to me, it's two different tournaments for two different players.

Alvin Owusu (55:25.037)
Absolutely, yeah. And so as we look at that from that standpoint, like what do we have coming up next? We've got the Mingo, kind of the 500 route. So biggest event in the near future is Indian Wells, right? That's first week of March. So we've got four weeks between now and then. We have kind of the tour takes its kind of two separate paths. There's the North America, or there's probably the path of the Americas, right? Which goes, they'll start Dallas on February 9th, or you're in Buenos Aires, and then you go.

you know, kind of a Delray or Rio and then Acapulco and then we start making our way up to Indian Wells. And then the European route, which is what Carlos has played last year, which is going to Rotterdam for that 500 and then doing Doha and then coming to Indian Wells. I would imagine Mr. Richard Krychak, tournament director at Rotterdam, I don't think Carlos is going to be showing up this year.

Torrey (56:22.949)
Right, right.

Alvin Owusu (56:24.557)
I, Feb nine, which is a eight days from now. don't, I don't think he's going to be in, uh, in, uh, Rotterdam playing indoor, indoor tennis, uh, quite so, quite so fast. I imagine he gets one event and maybe it's, maybe it's even Dubai this year. Maybe it takes two full weeks off, three weeks off and skips Doha and then go straight to Dubai, get that 500 in and then, and then come on over to the States and play Indian Wells. Um, but I think that's, you know, if we're not playing as many events, that's just.

Torrey (56:28.888)
Yeah. Right.

Torrey (56:35.002)
Right. Yeah.

Alvin Owusu (56:53.129)
ATP will have to adjust because I think once it starts hitting the pockets of the tournament directors Then they will be the ones that start raising their hands like hey, we've got to we've got to do something something's got to give I Think to keep us from going on for too long I think let's go ahead and put a pin in it there We got we have some other things that we want to lay out on some things We didn't cover throughout the tournament that we want to we're gonna do a proper You know kind of tournament review just to talk about some of the things we didn't just talk about along the way but

So one, thank you for everyone who listened, has been following with us. We're gonna try to keep this grand slam coverage entertaining for you guys. TH, thank you for the early mornings and the late nights, brother. It's been fun and work, but it's all great. But with that, we'll put a pin in it. Best of three, we are out.

Torrey (57:32.068)
Yes sir, yes sir.